Tina Adatia: Joachim, how is PIMCO thinking about relative duration positioning across the regions?
Joachim Fels: I guess the first thing to say is, ten-year yields of 1.5%, 1.6% in the U.S., it’s really low. I mean, it’s lower than what you would normally expect outside of recessions. But as discussed, recession risk is elevated, and there are all kinds of disruptions that might happen. You know, secular disruptions.
And in that case, obviously, U.S. rates or U.S. bonds offer the most room for rally. They still have considerable upside in terms of prices. And downside in terms of yield, whereas, obviously if you get a big risk-off event, bond yields will go more negative, Japanese yields will go more negative, but there’s a lot more room for U.S. to rally. So this is why, I think, having an allocation and being in a bond portfolio, being overweight U.S. duration versus global duration makes a lot of sense to us. And you have to think about it in terms of the capital appreciation that you can get if things go wrong.
Andrew Balls: Yeah. So in terms of hedge yield, for example, if you’re a U.S. dollar-based investor, the hedge yield, the picture looks a little bit different, bonds, actually ten-year bonds yield a little bit more than ten-year treasuries, as you benefit from the FX hedge back to the U.S. dollar.
In terms of generating yield, or income, that’s a little bit more balanced. But as Joachim said, if you're looking for capital gains potential, that could clearly happen in the case of the U.S., in the event of a downturn.
In Germany, say, you probably need a more significant shift on the part of the ECB towards even more negative yields to get significant moves there. And given the balance between the costs and the benefits of negative policy rates — it’s very unclear that that’s something the ECB can do very much more. So, the U.S. is the cleanest dirty shirt, if you’re looking for capital gain potential to hedge risk assets across a lot of our portfolios. You’ll see we’re overweight the U.S. versus the rest of the world.
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